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Why have LMAX charged me an API inactivity fee when my connection to LMAX is through SC?

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[2016-04-15 20:11:22]
DEA1 - Posts: 47
Hello, I've just been charged a £300. I need to contact LMAX on Monday but could you explain this please?

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Type
  
Description
  
Debit
  
Credit
15/04/2016 14:43:20  Debit  VAT: VAT Charge  £ 8.35  
15/04/2016 14:43:05  Credit  VAT Refund: VAT Refund     £ 41.77
15/04/2016 14:06:04  Debit  API Fee: VAT Charge  £ 41.77  
15/04/2016 14:06:03  Debit  API Fee: March API fee  £ 41.77  
15/04/2016 13:03:17  Debit  Account adjustment: VAT Charge  £ 41.77  
15/04/2016 13:03:17  Debit  Account adjustment: FIX Inactivify Fee March 2016 £208.87  
208.87
[2016-04-15 20:18:36]
Sierra Chart Engineering - Posts: 104368
That is quite a ridiculously high fee. If we operated like that, we would be out of business.

If you were previously using the LMAX FIX connection then you need to let LMAX know that you no longer need that. It is not needed when using the Sierra Chart "LMAX Live Trading-DTC" connection.

If you have any difficulty getting a refund just let us know and we will see if we can help with it. They definitely should refund it, if not it is not right.
Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level

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Date Time Of Last Edit: 2016-04-15 20:53:03
[2016-04-16 14:02:47]
AndyL - Posts: 119
I have been charged the $300 inactivity fee for March too. And i have never had a FIX connection previously to the Sierrachart-connection. So this seems to be charged in error.

Are you sure lmax agreed to waive $100 million minimum transaction volume requirement for the Sierra-connection?

https://www.lmax.com/professional/lmax-exchange-fee-schedule

At least they didnt charge the $2500 fee for the marketdepth data..
Date Time Of Last Edit: 2016-04-16 14:06:10
[2016-04-16 19:39:46]
Sierra Chart Engineering - Posts: 104368
This is extremely concerning.

We are contacting LMAX about this now.

You are not using the FIX connection so you should have no fees. This is only common sense and this is why we said there are no monthly fees.

We may be liable for the cost of that connection if there is insufficient trading volume. So we may have to pay the 300 USD a month until the monthly minimum trading volume has been met. It is our impression now that the monthly minimum is still not being met.
Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level

Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy:
https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation

For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, *change* to the Teton service:
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[2016-04-16 19:54:19]
Sierra Chart Engineering - Posts: 104368
We are sending this now to LMAX:

Currently we have 2 of our users who have accounts assigned to our FIX connection and they both have said there are monthly inactivity fees for March. Here is the transaction detail from one of them:

15/04/2016 14:43:20 Debit VAT: VAT Charge £ 8.35
15/04/2016 14:43:05 Credit VAT Refund: VAT Refund £ 41.77
15/04/2016 14:06:04 Debit API Fee: VAT Charge £ 41.77
15/04/2016 14:06:03 Debit API Fee: March API fee £ 41.77
15/04/2016 13:03:17 Debit Account adjustment: VAT Charge £ 41.77
15/04/2016 13:03:17 Debit Account adjustment: FIX Inactivify Fee March 2016 £208.87

If you will be imposing this fee, then this whole connection model using a single FIX connection with multiple user accounts assigned to it, is not economically viable. If these are these fees, no one is going to use it.

We were never advised of this. And we have been telling users the exact opposite that there will be no monthly fees because this is only common sense since they are not using the FIX connection directly. Instead there is only a single FIX connection being used by the Sierra Chart server.

The whole reason we change this connection model is for 3 reasons. The first reason, is to eliminate the monthly minimum inactivity fees. Previously we had this posted on our website regarding LMAX FIX:
"Inactivity fee from LMAX: If trade $12.5 million in Forex transactions per month, there is no fee. Otherwise, a fee of 150 USD for that trading month applies."

The second reason is we can provide enhanced functionality like long-term order fill history and server-side OCO and bracket orders.

The third reason, is there is a simplified connection using our own connection protocols.

We knew that we may be liable for the monthly minimum of 150USD which is now apparently 300 USD if there is not enough trading volume on the connection.

We are planning to make a larger announcement about this new connection, in the next week or so. We understand that you may also be posting some information about Sierra Chart on your website as well. And gradually we would expect there should be more than 100 users on it which will allow us to easily meet the minimum.

If we are liable for the 300USD a month if there is insufficient trading volume, that is fine with us and I can provide you billing details so that you can invoice us for that.

I politely request, that you immediately remove these inactivity fees from these customers using the Sierra Chart connection, and no longer charge them. Otherwise, we have to advise our users, that there was a major misunderstanding regarding this, and that we cannot continue with the service.

Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level

Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy:
https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation

For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, *change* to the Teton service:
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Date Time Of Last Edit: 2016-04-16 19:55:26
[2016-04-17 00:40:33]
Sierra Chart Engineering - Posts: 104368
From LMAX:

I believe these charges may have been imposed incorrectly. We need to make some updates on our side so that only the one FIX connection owner (Sierra Charts in this case) is liable for the fee if trading is below the volume threshold.

I'll speak to my CS team on Monday and have this ironed out and refund the clients where applicable.

One thing to note is that if a client who is part of the multi trading group decides to also directly connect via FIX to their account, they could also be liable to the fee if trading activity is below the threshold.

Apologies for the inconvenience here, we will sort this out on Monday and confirm the exact treatment going forward.

Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level

Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy:
https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation

For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, *change* to the Teton service:
Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing
[2016-04-17 01:05:24]
AndyL - Posts: 119
Sounds good. I will contact them in a few days if they dont reverse the charge oon their own.
[2016-04-18 08:40:13]
DEA1 - Posts: 47
Dear David,

Thank you for your email.

Please accept our apologies, this has been a mistake and your account has now been refunded. Please note that Sierra Chart have only recently change their connection method, and hence we have now adjusted our charges for going forward, so this does not happen again.

If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to email or call
us on +44 203 192 2555. Our Client Services team are available for 24-hour
support, from Sunday evening at 22:00 through to Friday evening at 22:00 UK
time.

Kind regards,

Lina
The LMAX Exchange team


All's well that ends well! Thanks for your help guys.
[2016-04-18 10:46:40]
batman_ - Posts: 190
Would SC introduces independent IB that promotes LMAX and sierra charts trading platform. A combine monthly trading volume from independent IB that uses SC DTC multi users FIX connection would be able to negotiate a lower commission from LMAX and pass down the lower commission fees to SC client.
Date Time Of Last Edit: 2016-04-18 10:48:41
[2016-04-29 09:05:29]
sierra28 - Posts: 120
Apologise if answer has already been made about this.
Finally Does LMax charge if volume traded is not enough?

i read this from lmax web site https://www.lmax.com/professional/lmax-exchange-fee-schedule :

FIX trading  Free of charge if $100m notional traded per month,
otherwise flat fee of $300 per month

thanks
[2016-04-29 09:11:55]
Sierra Chart Engineering - Posts: 104368
No, those fees do not apply when using Sierra Chart with LMAX.
Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level

Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy:
https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation

For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, *change* to the Teton service:
Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing
[2017-09-18 19:05:55]
collektor - Posts: 4
Hi,

LMAX has just charged me this $300 fee for August too...

I have emailed them and waiting for their reply.
[2017-09-18 19:41:17]
Sierra Chart Engineering - Posts: 104368
This is terrible.

Why they would even attempt to do that, makes no sense.

They will credit your account though. Let us know if you need further help if they do not take care of this promptly.
Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level

Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy:
https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation

For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, *change* to the Teton service:
Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing
[2017-09-18 20:38:46]
collektor - Posts: 4
They have responded and refunded promptly :)
[2018-04-13 18:09:15]
User749205 - Posts: 38
Just a heads up that this is still happening, I inexplicably got a FIX inactivity fee that was immediately refunded without intervention. But then I was charged £255 for an API fee which I've disputed and waiting to hear back. Can you confirm there should be no API fee to use LMAX with SC please?
[2018-04-13 18:43:07]
Sierra Chart Engineering - Posts: 104368
There definitely is no API fee when using LMAX with Sierra Chart. If you have trouble with the refund let us know and we will follow up with LMAX.
Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level

Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy:
https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation

For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, *change* to the Teton service:
Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing

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