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From TT: We are currently investigating order routing issues for CME

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[2021-02-14 23:17:08]
Sierra Chart Engineering - Posts: 104368
TT is having order routing issues for the CME. Order entry is not possible for CME on the Sierra Chart order routing service at this time. They are aware of the problem.
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[2021-02-14 23:22:54]
Sierra Chart Engineering - Posts: 104368
Also we are going to be putting our full attention back on our own direct order routing for the CME, in about a week. We just need to finish with some work with market by order processing, resolving an issue with market depth with crypto c currencies which we hope to finish with this evening. We will then get back to direct order routing.

And get this available. We certainly don't want to put up with ridiculous problems like this from TT. This is just a complete joke. Although really we have not seen a problem like this from TT, really in more than 1.5 years. So this is unusual.

Our order routing is so simple and straightforward. It is just going to consistently work all of the time.
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Date Time Of Last Edit: 2021-02-14 23:30:31
[2021-02-14 23:59:50]
Chap - Posts: 39
Please your help.

I have a pending Order, that I cannot cancel. what can I do?

When we would be able to trade normally?
[2021-02-15 00:17:31]
Sierra Chart Engineering - Posts: 104368
If the order was entered this evening, then almost certainly it is not actually working. Try to cancel it once or twice, and if it does not cancel, it is not working.

It will eventually clear and go into a error state.
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Date Time Of Last Edit: 2021-02-15 00:17:41
[2021-02-15 00:46:05]
Sierra Chart Engineering - Posts: 104368
There were about 10 or so orders that had a status of Pending Open. They were never submitted to the exchange. We have cleared that status, and those are now marked as canceled.

Also on the Server 1 and Server 4, there is now Position Average Price supported. We also did a software update on Server 1 to use the provided order status in an order cancel reject message.
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[2021-02-15 01:20:26]
Sierra Chart Engineering - Posts: 104368
This TT order routing issue has been resolved by them.
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[2021-02-16 00:38:21]
User816220 - Posts: 80
In case anyone else is running into this:

I was trading overnight and was flat/no open orders before the 9:30 start on 2/15. When I logged back in this afternoon, Sierra reported two open positions for my account.

I got in touch with my broker, and received this message:

Critical Notice - TT Duplicate Orders
We will email you once fixed

TT Position Issue 

CME position are not correct/duplicated.

We are going thru 1 by 1 each account manually updating to match the current position with the CME.

We have disabled trading on your account until the REAL Position is updated on your account.

Please do not attempt to offset or close positions - it will actually do the opposite - could open new positions.

We will update you once the TT platforms update is complete

Date Time Of Last Edit: 2021-02-16 00:41:04
[2021-02-16 01:55:14]
User816220 - Posts: 80
My issue has been resolved.

Your current position showing on your TT Trading Account is matching the CME.

Please do not worry about all the duplicate fills on your TT - this is the error of TT (they duplicated all the trades from today)

We went to the CME to verify your actual OPEN Position and set your TT platform to show your ACTUAL REAL Current position on the CME exchange.

Please review and trade as you wish.

We will provide full report from TT once received.

SC, the duplicate trades are showing in the Trade Activity Log. Is the right way to clean up the log to just select the fills and choose Edit > Delete Trade Activity Entry?
[2021-02-16 02:24:53]
Sierra Chart Engineering - Posts: 104368
. Is the right way to clean up the log to just select the fills and choose Edit > Delete Trade Activity Entry?
Yes but we really should take care of this on the server as well. We would need to implement a delete operation for duplicate order fills.
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Date Time Of Last Edit: 2021-02-16 02:24:59
[2021-02-16 03:31:34]
User236347 - Posts: 21
AMP sent the follow up email after suspending trading in my account, supposedly they updated my account to reflect the supposed CORRECT trades.... HOWEVER....

I was -8 short $MES going into 1pm. At 6pm reset it said I was -10 short. As of their update I am -3 Short.

(All trades different averages).

This means 2 extra short orders were placed on my account without knowledge, and then 7 buy orders were also placed.

AMP said this current positioning reflects the accurate trades that the customers made according to TT...

I made it clear that I did not make any of those trades, he told me he understands but that is what TT is telling AMP.

That’s it. I can dispute trades with trade manager if I want....

At this point you can imagine I’m in disbelief... you’re telling me any trades I make can be voided at any time retroactively and that phantom trades can be placed on my behalf without my knowledge...

He says that he understands why I wouldn’t trust this anymore... but there’s nothing they can do... “This isn’t just a problem for you, it’s also a problem for us and we had to go to the exchange for each individual account...”

He then said, in his opinion TT works seamlessly with Xtrader and nothing else... and to switch to CQG.

I closed the remaining position flat and am sitting here stunned.

How am I supposed to trust that my orders using Sierra Chart/DENALI are real/accurate moving forward (This error only occurred for TT/SC/Denali....) ....?
[2021-02-16 09:00:40]
Sierra Chart Engineering - Posts: 104368
This issue is not something that would be isolated to TT FIX. It would have affected X Trader as well. At least the new X trader.

We are going to discuss this matter with AMP and take steps to avoid this in the future.

We also want to put out this comment which we provided to AMP (edited for clarity) :


Also our own CME order routing would never be affected by the problems they (TT) have. I understand exactly where they went wrong. We would never have a problem like that.
For two basic reasons because we manage very well sequence numbers with a high degree of redundancy and safety checks. We maintain a cache rather large cache, of previously received fill identifiers and will never process fills twice.

So much effort and thought has gone into a potential issue like this on our side with our own CME order routing. The only area of concern with incorrect position reporting would be in scenarios involving multi-legged instruments where there is a cancellation or modification of a fill by the exchange. That is a scenario which just should never happen because it is very rare for the exchange to go back and cancel or modify a fill. And even more rare (in combination with the prior scenario) that someone would be trading a multi-legged instrument.

The reason this is a concern for multi-legged instruments, is because when there is a trade cancellation or modification by the exchange it does get rather complex, the chain of order IDs involved. And in our testing, we were doing everything right but seeing an issue. Which we did report to the CME. And their answer seem to indicate, that there was a problem with their test environment in this regard and they were willing to give us a waiver on that particular test.

So we have a function to add a correcting fill to give a clearing firm the ability to make adjustments to a particular position for a particular instrument for a particular trade account in the rare case something goes wrong with position reporting involving multi-legged instruments. Although as we said, this is very rare there should ever be a problem. As a matter practical reality it just will never happen.

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Date Time Of Last Edit: 2021-02-16 09:04:17
[2021-02-16 09:04:45]
Sierra Chart Engineering - Posts: 104368
Also we did trading in MES, for testing on TT, on 2021-02-15 and we do not see any wrong Position for that instrument.
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Date Time Of Last Edit: 2021-02-16 09:04:52
[2021-02-16 09:21:43]
Sierra Chart Engineering - Posts: 104368
.. you’re telling me any trades I make can be voided at any time retroactively and that phantom trades can be placed on my behalf without my knowledge...
What actually happened on the TT side was that when they reconnected to the CME system, they used an older inbound sequence number causing the TT system to ask the CME to retransmit previous fills that they already received. So this would then cause their (TT) system to reprocess those fills, and cause a Trade Position quantity to change for the affected trading accounts.

No trades were ever voided. But there were "phantoms".

An issue like this with our own direct CME routing just would not occur, because as we said there is so much care and redundancy when it comes to sequence numbers because we realize the danger of using incorrect sequence numbers on a reconnection. And furthermore, we maintain a cache as we said of previous fills. And every new fill that comes in, is checked against this cache. To make sure that we do not reprocess a fill.

But this does not exist with TT routing because we assume they know what they are doing but we can see they do not.
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Date Time Of Last Edit: 2021-02-16 09:23:45
[2021-02-16 14:59:05]
User236347 - Posts: 21
I woke up this morning and it says my account is 1 short MES from 3946.75. I did not place this trade, and I am unable to close it. The trade desk at AMP is not answering their phone.

If you are telling me that the orders for my account are correct, that is absolutely false. I was 8 short going into 1pm close yesterday. I DID NOT close any contracts on 2/15 at 20:21. When they adjusted my account I was left 3 short. I did not close the 5 short positions I was holding prior to this weekend.
[2021-02-16 15:02:22]
User236347 - Posts: 21
I've clicked flat and the order disappeared, NOW I am short 2 MES from 3967.88.......




Sierra...please look at my trade log. I am NOT placing new trades.... why is this happening?
[2021-02-16 15:11:55]
Marmany - Posts: 303
For info just received an email from Dorman to say that some accounts have lost their TT connections.
[2021-02-16 15:16:05]
User816145 - Posts: 2
I have problems with trading as well. I'm at AMP broker. Problems with opening and closing trades. Routing via TT. I hope i don't have any open order...Sierra Chart tells me i'm flat, i hope it's true.
Date Time Of Last Edit: 2021-02-16 15:16:49
[2021-02-16 15:32:38]
user2837 - Posts: 76
This looks pretty bad from TT. Does sc have a time-frame for when their direct routing to CME will be available?
Date Time Of Last Edit: 2021-02-16 15:35:37
[2021-02-16 16:33:40]
User236347 - Posts: 21
AMP has disabled trading on TT until further notice. All open orders will be flattened/closed, all pending orders will be removed.

THIS IS DISGUSTING.

Sierra WTF is going on here? I want my money back...
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[2021-02-16 17:00:19]
ruiyt - Posts: 11
I'm sure glad that I stuck with Interactive Brokers. However shitty their software is, at least my orders aren't being fucked with.
[2021-02-16 17:21:02]
User542430 - Posts: 50
Very bad look for TT. It is impossible to trade if a user cannot trust that their orders will be handled properly.
[2021-02-16 17:33:08]
theunknowntrader - Posts: 112
I understand Sierra was not responsible for this, BUT Sierra is our provider. They should have an alternative if situations like this happen.
[2021-02-16 17:50:55]
User937576 - Posts: 24
Disgusting mishandling by TT and AMP not making it easier, but a lot of folks got F'd this morning. It's going to be a mess to sort it out - I had something like 600-900P in MNQ profits, couldn't sell my position, but price was going in my direction so hey, let's wait and see... after 10-15min they resumed the orders being executed, I reduced my position to 1/5th, then stopped working again and guess what? They EXECUTED the old phantom sell/buy orders I was trying to process that NEVER got through. All profits gone and I had mysteriously flipped my position opposite. Flattened everything cause realised a major issue was going on. Then AMP emails came through...
Think I'll switch back to Rithmic.
[2021-02-16 17:52:14]
User920967 - Posts: 62
Yea, its clear to me TT is responsible, but what matters to me now is how do i trade tomorrow considering i use denali feed and order routing? I expect Sierra will answer this at some point today.
Date Time Of Last Edit: 2021-02-16 19:51:11

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