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Date/Time: Fri, 31 Oct 2025 06:07:17 +0000
Diagonal Delta option for Number Bars
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| [2023-10-05 14:35:54] |
| User172835 - Posts: 7 |
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+1 “Ask Bid Diagonal Difference Profile” and still need my original post "Can a "Background Coloring Method" and "Text Coloring Method" be added for the "Ask vol Bid Vol Diff Diagonal 1 side - Actual"?" |
| [2023-11-01 12:18:11] |
| User172835 - Posts: 7 |
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Morning, Can we get some sort of update on the requests above?
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| [2024-01-06 01:54:14] |
| masedi - Posts: 53 |
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+1 I was looking for exactly this setting today and couldn't figure it out, then reached this thread through search. The request is like other members posted: 1 sided delta based on diagonal difference, text and background option. |
| [2024-03-06 09:32:39] |
| User00001 - Posts: 7 |
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+1 " 1 sided delta based on diagonal difference, text and background option. " |
| [2024-07-14 21:56:15] |
| bharq6gt - Posts: 13 |
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Can we please bring this up in the next release? It is frustrating to not have a Volume Profile that lists just the Diagonal Ask-Bid Difference Volume.
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| [2025-09-05 19:31:41] |
| PhilipJamesB - Posts: 19 |
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Hi Sierra Team, Any news on a Number Bar: Background Type that has an "Ask Vol Bid Vol Diff Diagonal (Bid Side)" option? Would be great to have this feature. Thanks a lot |
| [2025-09-05 21:13:49] |
| John - SC Support - Posts: 42683 |
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We are not fully understanding what is desired here. To start with, we added options to the "Numbers Bars Text" to show the Diagonal Difference Bid Side, Ask Side and Dominant Side. But we are not sure what you are looking for in terms of the background coloring you are looking for. How exactly do you want this to work? The "Diagonal Difference Bid Side" values can be both positive and negative. How do you want the coloring done relative to the Up/Down colors? Also are you looking for a percentage or an actual value or both? If a percentage, a percentage of what? For instance, do you want positive values to use the Up colors and negative values to use the Down colors? For the percentage, is it a percentage of the largest delta value in the bar, or a percentage of the total volume of the Bid and Ask being compared (or something else)? For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing |
| [2025-09-06 15:27:02] |
| HeyUgly - Posts: 265 |
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I think this is getting away from my actual initial request Sierra did a good job implementing my own coded study I had made. I only have 2 main questions. 1. In the screenshot, it shows the diagonal delta pretty much bang on. But why is there a "-" {negative symbol} on the buy volume side {right side}. 2. IS there also an option to do the same but Side by Side delta in the text display on top of the diagonal. I am not sure what others are asking, but sierra did a pretty good job of implementing my request and i watch it beside my own personal study. I jus have those questions above. |
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| [2025-09-06 15:31:26] |
| HeyUgly - Posts: 265 |
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for reference on my own study the diagonal delta is the left hand column, the side by side delta is the right column where i have drawn a line in between them. I think sierra got the Diagonal part down just fine, numbers match, Im just curious why the negative symbol on the buy side of the footprint. The negative side on the sell volume side totally makes sense. Is the option already there to also do a side x side detla text display? maybe i dod not see it. Thank you again for adding this, and answering the above question whenever you can. |
| [2025-09-06 16:09:42] |
| HeyUgly - Posts: 265 |
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The MAIN issue I see here when running replays is this In the attached picture, why is the number Duplicated all the times diagonally? It doesnt make sense 1. In the bottom of 1082 size, it should show a + buying delta of 344, not 1082. On the buy side it should say 344, 2. above it -344 is repeated twice - diagonal delta should show -144 etc, why are these numbers duplicated diagonally? |
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| [2025-09-06 17:02:29] |
| PhilipJamesB - Posts: 19 |
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Thanks for your response John, What I'm looking for, and I believe others in the tread, is a Number Bars Profile Background Type based on Ask Vol Bid Vol Diff Diagonal Bid Side. Just like Volume Text can have a Volume Profile (Across All Columns) Background Type, it would be great if the Ask Bid Diagonal text types could have their own Background Types (the most common/importation version of the calculation being the Ask Vol Bid Vol Diff Diagonal Bid Side, I believe). At the moment the closest option is the Ask Bid Difference Profile Background Type, which does not match the Diagonal text values. Thanks so much |
| [2025-09-08 14:47:36] |
| John - SC Support - Posts: 42683 |
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HeyUgly, The reason why the numbers are both negative is that Sierra Chart always does the delta calculation as Ask minus Bid. It is never the opposite. So for a Diagonal Delta, the Ask side is calculated as the following: (Ask at Current Price) - (Bid at Next Lower Price) And the Bid Side is calculated as the following: (Ask at Next Higher Price) - (Bid at Current Price) -- As to the 1082, -344, and -144, we can not say. Although from the previous image you gave, it looks like these values are all correct, as they are aligning with what you show in your study. So we do not understand what exactly is the problem with these values. For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing |
| [2025-09-08 14:51:15] |
| John - SC Support - Posts: 42683 |
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User258372: Sorry, we are still not quite understanding what is wanted in the end. Please just give us the rundown of what you want to see exactly. We can then figure out the best way to implement it given how the study is setup. For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing |
| [2025-09-08 15:20:14] |
| masedi - Posts: 53 |
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very simply put (from my perspective), the request is to have the same options like AV BV differencer text, profile, coloring options in the numbers bar study - but the calculation is based on AV BV - DIAGONAL difference, not horizontal.
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| [2025-09-08 16:07:12] |
| HeyUgly - Posts: 265 |
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I'll stay out of the convo for now, Yes you guys did a great job implementing it absolutely and I appreciate it very much I can work with it as Is and run my study beside it. Thank You Again! |
| [2025-09-08 18:09:24] |
| John - SC Support - Posts: 42683 |
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There are all kinds of coloring options for Diagonal Difference. So we need more specifics on what you want to see that is not currently available.
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| [2025-09-09 12:55:49] |
| PhilipJamesB - Posts: 19 |
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Hi John, For the Diagonal Difference in Number Bars (specifically AV BV Diff Diagonal Bid Side in my case, and I think for other users too) there is no Background Type (ln: 17), Coloring Method (ln:18), or Text Coloring Method (ln: 19) options. Presently, if I select the AV BV Diff Diagonal as the text option, there is no Ask Bid Diagonal Difference Profile option for a Background Type. There is an Ask Bid Difference Profile currently, but this is calculated horizontally. So if this option is selected the profile is displaying the horizontal calculation, while the text is displaying the diagonal calculation. (See screenshot of current Numbers Bars Background Types). The same is true for both the Background and Text Coloring Methods. There are a lot of coloring options for Dominant side calculations, there is a AV BV Difference Actual and a AV BV Diag Diff Percentage of Bar Range - None of these options provide an accurately coloring of the AV BV Diff Diagonal. I hope this description makes sense. If not, hopefully other users can also chip in. Thanks so much |
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| [2025-09-09 14:13:03] |
| John - SC Support - Posts: 42683 |
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We understand what you are stating in terms of the "Background Type". So we can set that aside. But with regards to the Coloring Method, we need more information. There are the following Diagonal coloring options already available: - Based on Diagonal Dominant Side AskVol BidVol Percentage - Based on Diagonal Dominant AskVol BidVol to Volume at Price Percentage - Based on Diagonal Dominant AskVol BidVol Difference - Actual - Based on AskVol BidVol Diagonal Difference Percentage of Bar Range - Based on Separate Diagonal AskVol BidVol Percentage - Based on Diagonal Dominant AskVol BidVol - Actual So what is the coloring option that you are wanting to see that is not already there. Please just give us what you want to see. For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing |
| [2025-09-09 16:33:24] |
| PhilipJamesB - Posts: 19 |
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IMHO a Coloring Method for AV BV Diff Diagonal Bid Side (a diagonal delta calculation) would allow for coloring the negative and positive values separately, while also allowing for Percentage Compare Thresholds. In this scenario, all negative values are red, positive values are green. The Range 0/1/2/3 Up/Down colors are based on the Percentage/Actual Compare Thresholds (for example: dark green for 1, light green for 1000 - dark red for -1, light red for -1000). This is not all that dissimilar to the Coloring Method: Based on AskVol BidVol Diagonal Difference Percentage of Bar Range, except that this is obviously a different calculation, with different values to the diagonal delta that I think a lot of people use. I've attached a screenshot of a Number Bars chart with AV BV Diff Diagonal Bid Side, with a Full Background Background Type and a Coloring Method Based on AskVol BidVol Diagonal Difference Percentage of Bar Range. I've included annotation of what I think the Coloring Method should be. In the case of the AV BV Diff Diagonal Bid Side, aka Delta, being 0, the color could just be transparent. Thanks so much! Date Time Of Last Edit: 2025-09-09 16:33:46
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| [2025-09-09 17:32:58] |
| John - SC Support - Posts: 42683 |
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Thank you for the explanation. We understand what is being requested now. We can not say when we would get to this particular change, but we definitely want to understand it so when we do get to it we know what needs to be done. For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing |
| [2025-09-09 18:20:29] |
| PhilipJamesB - Posts: 19 |
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Amazing, thanks John/Sierra Team.
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| [2025-09-11 15:27:39] |
| John - SC Support - Posts: 42683 |
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We will see if we can get this done soon. But in discussing what needs to be done, we realized there is a question of how to handle the "Background Type" of "Ask Bid Diagonal Difference Bid Side", "Ask Bid Diagonal Difference Ask Side", and "Ask Bid Diagonal Difference Dominant Side", as this will have both positive and negative numbers. Therefore, we need to know how you want to handle this. 1. Have a profile that goes in both directions. This would be similar to the "Split" profile options that currently exist. 2. Use the Absolute Value of the number to determine the profile length at each price level. 3. Do not display a bar for negative values (i.e. it would appear as if the value were zero). 4. Something else we have not thought of. For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing |
| [2025-09-22 13:53:05] |
| PhilipJamesB - Posts: 19 |
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Hi John, Sorry for not checking this thread sooner! For both the Bid and Ask Side Background Type, profile lengths based on the absolute value makes complete sense to me. Where -100 and +100 would have bars of the same length. (Referring to your 3. - Displaying bars for negative values is as important as graphing the positive values, since it visually displays the bid/ask imbalance) The "Split" profile option makes less sense to me, since comparing the profile bar lengths between levels will be easier to do if they are all on the same side. (A split profile option with the Ask Bid Diagonal Difference profile on one side and say a volume by price profile on the other side may be of use to some users). Sorry, I can't offer advice on the "Dominant Side" profile type, as I haven't been able to understand the purpose/benefit of that calculation. I'll be sure to check this thread frequently, so as not to keep you waiting so long if you have other questions I may be able to help with. Thanks so much! |
| [2025-09-27 12:34:18] |
| Sierra_Chart Engineering - Posts: 21266 |
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We expect to have this all done, next week.
Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy: https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing |
| [2025-09-27 14:32:27] |
| PhilipJamesB - Posts: 19 |
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That will be awesome, looking forward to using it! Thanks so much! |
| [2025-10-07 23:20:08] |
| Sierra_Chart Engineering - Posts: 21266 |
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This functionality is all complete other than this background coloring method: "Diagonal Difference Dominant Side" It is in prerelease version 2801. Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy: https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing Date Time Of Last Edit: 2025-10-07 23:20:46
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