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[2023-07-22 17:48:40] #77 [Go To First Post]
ticinotrader - Posts: 378
Guys, sorry for asking this, because I appreciate all the activity/comments here, but this support thread was originally created to have a discussion about SC support's plan of making SC available natively on Linux. Can we please stick to the main topic and use the very well-established Linux thread (link below) originally created by ertrader, where all the other, general or specific, Linux-related discussion is already going? Linux Thank you.

[2023-07-22 18:10:43] #78 [Go To First Post]
VLiviu - Posts: 140
@ticinotrader, yes, sorry. I've removed my comments Date Time Of Last Edit: 2023-07-22 18:15:57

[2023-07-22 21:28:43] #79 [Go To First Post]
Ed C. - Posts: 98
And then at the same time, we will work on adapting the Windows API calls, to Linux. We may need to add a management layer, for the user interface between Linux and the existing Windows API calls. Is this really necessary? After all, there are a number of different UI and management translation layers that have already been written - Qt and Mono come to mind. Why reinvent the wheel?

[2023-07-22 22:18:07] #80 [Go To First Post]
Sierra_Chart Engineering - Posts: 14173
Is this really necessary? After all, there are a number of different UI and management translation layers that have already been written - Qt and Mono come to mind. Why reinvent the wheel? Never in a trillion years. This would fully destroy Sierra Chart with its design, stability, flexibility, performance, identity. Same problem with government. When people think they need a government to run their lives because they think someone is smarter than them, there is then the situation where they fully become slaves to the system and find it hard or impossible to escape the slavery. This is what we see at this point in the history of the world. Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy: https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing Date Time Of Last Edit: 2023-07-22 22:19:16

[2023-07-22 22:37:03] #81 [Go To First Post]
Ed C. - Posts: 98
Never in a trillion years. This would fully destroy Sierra Chart with its design, stability, flexibility, performance, identity. Same problem with government. When people think they need a government to run their lives because they think someone is smarter than them, there is then the situation where they fully become slaves to the system and find it hard or impossible to escape the slavery. This is what we see at this point in the history of the world. Err, my comment wasn't a political one, and your objection is invalid because isn't technical, but political. "Fully destroy" because you'd take advantage of someone else's efforts to solve the same technical problem you're proposing to solve? That's a bit extreme, don't you think? "Not invented here" to reinvent the wheel has been the death of not an inconsiderable number of tech companies.

[2023-07-22 23:09:16] #82 [Go To First Post]
GreyLock58 - Posts: 168
I find this interesting, I take the leap and say that without reservation, I find Sierra Charts to be superior to most. None the lest, let's leave politics out of this. The business of business is money. This is not a game of nice or wrong. This should not be a forum of politics, there are plenty of others...Let's focus on why we all subscribe.

[2023-07-23 05:35:56] #83 [Go To First Post]
User921987 - Posts: 234
"Not invented here" to reinvent the wheel has been the death of not an inconsiderable number of tech companies. 27 years in this business and still rocking tells me they should continue to invent their own wheels :)

[2023-07-23 07:54:42] #84 [Go To First Post]
Ed C. - Posts: 98
27 years in this business and still rocking tells me they should continue to invent their own wheels :) I disagree. It's a waste of time and resources.

[2023-07-23 08:11:42] #85 [Go To First Post]
User921987 - Posts: 234
I've been in software business over 40 years now. My experience is every time I have built something by myself it's never been a disappointment. I really know the stuff because I have built it. It's definitely not the cheapest way but in the long run it pays the best. SierraChart is a very good example of this.

[2023-07-23 08:19:28] #86 [Go To First Post]
VLiviu - Posts: 140
I've been in software business over 40 years now. My experience is every time I have built something by myself it's never been a disappointment. I really know the stuff because I have built it. It's definitely not the cheapest way but in the long run it pays the best. SierraChart is a very good example of this. The same here and I totally agree!

[2023-07-23 08:49:31] #87 [Go To First Post]
Ed C. - Posts: 98
I've been in the software business for 43 years, and I disagree with you. It's simply a matter of resource allocation. Call me a liar if you like, just because you have a different opinion doesn't mean I'm wrong.

[2023-07-23 12:00:36] #88 [Go To First Post]
Sierra_Chart Engineering - Posts: 14173
The simple fact of it is that Sierra Chart using something like QT or some other framework would be very destructive to the program and also take a lot more time, than direct Linux integration. And it would create so many ongoing issues. When we say it would be destructive to Sierra Chart and the business, that is an absolute fact. This decision and recognition was made/determined many years (8+ or more) ago. It is nothing new. We would only be genuinely hurting the Sierra Chart user base and ourselves by attempting this. Yes we understand, but let us explain why we made the comment that we did: None the lest, let's leave politics out of this. The business of business is money. This is not a game of nice or wrong. This should not be a forum of politics, there are plenty of others...Let's focus on why we all subscribe. There no longer is legitimate politics. We are dealing with pure evil in the world now and from government and big tech companies, the implementation of worldwide communism, the disempowerment of people and businesses, and enslavement of humanity. No one is going to save us other than our individual selves. And everyone raising awareness of these facts is very important. When we recently made the decision to make a dedicated effort on the part of Sierra Chart to directly support Linux, this is directly related to the above because we must move away from platforms like Windows, which ultimately are going to be part of the New World order and dominating and controlling people. In other words they are an extension of government and their domination over people and their censorship. And moving onto platforms, which are open, and not part of that. At least we do not think Linux would be part of that. We really do not know how long the direct integration to Linux will take. Probably longer than we are saying but we will do our best. Not only is Microsoft Windows an unreliable platform, a deteriorating platform, a platform which is no longer serious, it is being used in ways in which people may or may not be aware of, as part of the domination and control of humanity by centralized powers. We have many big tech companies, both voluntarily and through coercion from government, working with governments and centralized powers to dominate and control humanity. With the implementation of central-bank digital currencies, these are the ultimate enslavement which will control what we can and cannot buy. And cutting us off from society altogether, if we are not obedient, to the will of centralized powers. And our message, is simply about decentralization, and transfer responsibility to individuals, free-market businesses, communities and cities. As populations grow, decentralization is essential. Linux, relates to this. It is a much more decentralized operating system as compared to Microsoft Windows. It is also open source. Certainly it has its problems. We are well aware of those. That is why we have talked about creating our own operating system. Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy: https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing Date Time Of Last Edit: 2023-07-23 12:12:54

[2023-07-23 12:26:11] #89 [Go To First Post]
User921987 - Posts: 234
Linux also gives you and your customers an option to create their own distros which are dedicated to SierraChart and trading. All the other shit can be left out. This gives us more stability and trust. This also will convert the whole sierrachart ecosystem into another level compared to your competitors. Date Time Of Last Edit: 2023-07-23 12:26:47

[2023-07-23 13:19:45] #90 [Go To First Post]
Sierra_Chart Engineering - Posts: 14173
Yes that does make sense. Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy: https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing

[2023-07-23 19:03:49] #91 [Go To First Post]
User814333 - Posts: 13
There no longer is legitimate politics. We are dealing with pure evil in the world now and from government and big tech companies, the implementation of worldwide communism, the disempowerment of people and businesses, and enslavement of humanity. I've heard from a number of (imo) very credible sources that this is, in fact, true. You would have to be totally asleep not to have seen inklings of this in the anomolyies of the 2020 and 2022 elections (AZ especially), all the bogus Trump indictments, the Hunter Biden laptop, the Twitter files, the open southern boarder, etc, etc, etc. And what we don't see (the iceberg below the surface) is far, far worse. The only thing I don't agree with, and the main reason I posted this, is I do believe (again based on reports I consider credible) this corrupt system (the deep state, cabal, or whatever you want to call it) is being taken down. If it wasn't, we would not be seeing all the exposures that have been coming out. My apologies for the totally off-topic comment. Btw, I like Linux also. And another major benefit of developing your code, rather than relying on open source libraries, if is an update to the OS breaks something, or if there happens to be a bug in a library you're using that's adversely effecting your code, you're not at the mercy of the library developers to get your code fixed. Date Time Of Last Edit: 2023-07-23 19:11:23

[2023-07-24 06:44:58] #92 [Go To First Post]
UnixManiac - Posts: 45
The Linux world has been infiltrated by evil entities at this point. The big companies that support Linux are not meant to be trusted anymore. From microsoft being member of the Linux Foundation, to a major Linux company that I will not name that requires a jab to even work remotely, you can see where this goes... Sierra Chart's approach to be independent from qt etc is gonna be a blessing in the years to come...

[2023-07-24 11:54:49] #93 [Go To First Post]
Sierra_Chart Engineering - Posts: 14173
the anomolyies of the 2020 and 2022 elections (AZ especially), all the bogus Trump indictments, the Hunter Biden laptop, the Twitter files, the open southern boarder, etc, etc, etc. And what we don't see (the iceberg below the surface) is far, far worse. Yes absolutely. The open border is a weapon of mass migration and a tactic being employed in many Western countries to destroy civilization. And also the January 6 illegitimate arrests and prosecutions of people standing up for the Constitution and integrity, being held in the DC gulags. Regarding post #92, this is clearly a concern. Major concern. This is why we really need to create our own operating system at some point, but certainly using an existing OS as a foundation Linux or BSD. Please tell us: to a major Linux company that I will not name that requires a jab to even work remotely, Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy: https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing Date Time Of Last Edit: 2023-07-24 11:59:35

[2023-07-29 19:54:17] #94 [Go To First Post]
User540504 - Posts: 15
Just wanted to chime in and say that I'd also greatly appreciate a native linux version, I'm getting off windows for all the reasons listed in this thread.

[2023-07-29 21:31:57] #95 [Go To First Post]
Bruce - Posts: 46
Is this about Sofware or Politics. I didn't know that Sierra Chart cared about who purchased their software. Larry, Curly or Moe! WTF!

[2023-07-29 23:49:51] #96 [Go To First Post]
Sierra_Chart Engineering - Posts: 14173
It is about software, but one of our motivations, of getting away from Windows is what is going on in the world. The two are very interrelated. And it does not matter who uses Sierra Chart. Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy: https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing

[2023-07-30 06:52:30] #97 [Go To First Post]
User921987 - Posts: 234
It is about software, but one of our motivations, of getting away from Windows is what is going on in the world. I 100% agree with you what is going on in the world and this is why I am happy to do my roughly $500 annual support to you. In past I have been using your platform for the data/backtest purposes only but now seriously thinking to start my futures trading business on the platform. Thanks to future Linux support. It is us who should control and decide what happens on our machines. Linux definitely is the environment which can make it happen.

[2023-07-30 07:49:07] #98 [Go To First Post]
VLiviu - Posts: 140
Linux definitely is the environment which can make it happen.

[2023-07-31 18:39:44] #99 [Go To First Post]
User753428 - Posts: 158
in this day and age, software companies like Sierra Chart are a dying breed. kudos to Sierra Chart for fighting the good fight. there is so much corruption and bureaucratic red tape that infrastructure projects become a money sinkhole and housing doesn't get built, which has resulted in a reality where millenials on down are having to basically spend up to 70% of their paycheck just on rent and the remaining 30% goes to food + utilities. healthcare insurance industry is such a scam that most people are a major health scare away from becoming homeless or having to file bankruptcy, as demonstrated by the fact that the #1 cause of bankrupcy in the US is medical bills. but despite so much of the younger generation merely struggling to survive, the gov't, media companies, and bigtech all force-feed rage-bait wokeism down our throats so they can direct our attention away from what actually matters through that sweet sweet dopamine hit. it's indentured servitute in modern-day form and with just the baby-boomer gen holding over half of all US assets, impending stagflation (due to an increasingly divergent supply-chain and tech stack as the West desperately attempts to bait China into a totally avoidable war to divert the populace from the problems at home), and AI looking to eat into the white-collar share of the pie, the only way to make it as a millenial on down is to either inherit from rich parents, be extremely talented, or make it through investing/trading/speculation; and this last part is wehre Sierra Chart plays a crucial role. my only worry is what happens when the current person(s) running Sierrachart pass away or for whatever reason have to be replaced by a new cohort? ironically, by creating such great software, Sierrachart is making more and more people dependent on the Sierrachart software. my hope is whoever's running Sierrachart has the foresight to arrange successor plans beforehand to ensure that the libertarian ethos and spirit of the software remains in good hands down the line.

[2023-08-01 06:20:16] #100 [Go To First Post]
User921987 - Posts: 234
my only worry is what happens when the current person(s) running Sierrachart pass away or for whatever reason have to be replaced by a new cohort? This is very important question. I would also like to know how many developers do they have in house?

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