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[User Discussion] - Spreadsheet Trading System

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[2013-08-31 22:35:38]
toews&kane - Posts: 205
I am using this spreadsheet trading system, trying to put in buy and sell exits but they are not executing.So what it's doing is it's flattening the positioning with a new order in the order direction when the condition is met.

I am just using this simple example here as my buy and sell exits
http://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=doc/doc_SystemsAlerts.php

I've made sure that it follows these guidelines

http://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=doc/doc_AutoTradeManagment.php#BuyExit
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[2013-08-31 23:21:32]
Sierra Chart Engineering - Posts: 102918
Please refer to this section here:
http://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=doc/doc_SystemsAlerts.php#IgnoredSignals

So what it's doing is it's flattening the positioning with a new order in the order direction when the condition is met.
If this is what is happening, then the Exit order actions are functioning as expected.
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[2013-08-31 23:22:51]
tomgilb - Posts: 3277
So is it doing a reversal and you don't want it to, or the cell is going TRUE but nothing happens?

Maybe it's exiting properly and the opposite entry formula is going TRUE.

[2013-09-01 02:21:17]
toews&kane - Posts: 205
Initiate buy sells work perfectly but, the exits never evaluate to true


=OR(AND($J$8>0,$E$3<=$J$9-1), AND($J$8>0, $E$3>=$J$9+2))

for example this statement for a buy exit never evaluates to true

[2013-09-01 06:02:35]
tomgilb - Posts: 3277
Two observations:
1) J9-1: The 1 in this case is equal to 1 point. In the ES that is 4 ticks. In the 6E it is 10000 ticks.
2) You probably don't need the absolute value of E3.
=OR(AND($J$8>0,E3<=$J$9-1),AND($J$8>0,E3>=$J$9+2))
[2013-09-02 19:23:03]
toews&kane - Posts: 205
To be honeset I don't think this is even working properly
Could it be that attached orders in the trade window are conflicting with the spreadsheet conditions?

Also, I read the documentation but I don't fully understand why there is such a difference between AutoTrade System Bar based back test and Replay based back test. Bar based is so inaccurate.
Using your standard example: https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=doc/doc_SystemsAlerts.php

If I do bar based back test it does not fail. But if I use replay based back test it consistently fails?

[2013-09-04 17:33:56]
toews&kane - Posts: 205
I have since modified my buy exits and they seem to be working, but I think the Bar Replay back test I might have found a way to break it so that I get a profitable system. On two contracts I made 30,000 in two months on the 1min ES chart.

If I do the replay chart, I am negative 7000, so I am stumped. I want to know what is breaking the system and perhaps I can improve my automated strategy? Any help would be appreciated

[2013-09-04 17:44:48]
tomgilb - Posts: 3277
The Bar Based Back Test only uses only the OHLC of each bar, so intrabar triggers are not going to get accurately represented. The -7000 is probably the accurate P/L.

Here's the documentation:
http://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=doc/doc_Backtesting.php
[2013-09-04 17:53:46]
toews&kane - Posts: 205
Ok, so I have another question
If I select 'strict evaluate signal only on bar close'

And the condition I am evaluating is

=crossfrombelow(AA3:AA4, AC3:AC4)

and the cross happens intrabar by bar close AA3>AC3, does the expression evaluate to true or false?

[2013-09-04 18:12:11]
tomgilb - Posts: 3277
The 'Strict Signal Only On Bar Close Evaluation' option is a stricter version of Signal Only On Bar Close.
Here's the documentation:
http://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=doc/doc_SystemsAlerts.php#SignalOnlyonBarClose

The expression will be TRUE when true and FALSE when false. You'll get a signal intrabar if Signal Only On Bar Close set to No. If Signal Only On Bar Close set to Yes, you won't get a signal until the bar closes.
[2013-09-04 19:59:31]
toews&kane - Posts: 205
thanks tomgilb, read a thread of yours on BMT as well, thanks for helping out.
Lots of scenarios going on in my head right now. Better test this out first and report back.

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