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Attach orders to an existing position

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[2024-10-09 22:34:47] #1 [Go To First Post]
User925540 - Posts: 84
I understand this is not yet supported on SierraChart, but wondering if it can be added as it's something a lot of platforms already support. If there is an open position that has no bracket orders attached to it, today you can add a bracket order (by position or price) but those orders have no parent and are not really attached to the position, so functionalities like "move to breakeven" and "P&L on order line" won't work. Can we possibly have a feature where you can add brackets to existing position that doesn't have brackets already? Some platforms are fancy and let you drag/drop (up/down from the position line) on the chart to create a target and a stoploss, but any way to attach brackets to a position would be just fine. Thank you. Date Time Of Last Edit: 2024-10-09 22:51:31

[2024-10-13 20:00:02] #2 [Go To First Post]
User925540 - Posts: 84
Please ... Thank you :)

[2024-10-15 23:24:35] #3 [Go To First Post]
User925540 - Posts: 84
Anyone?

[2024-10-16 01:43:30] #4 [Go To First Post]
User303857 - Posts: 157
Seems to work using use attached orders..... Date Time Of Last Edit: 2024-10-16 01:49:02

[2024-10-16 10:58:32] #5 [Go To First Post]
User925540 - Posts: 84
@User303857 Are you saying you're able to use "Move Stop to BreakEven" when you "Send Attached Orders by Price/Position"?!! That does not work and would be impossible to work, the orders have no parent and have no reference point to "BreakEven" with.

[2024-10-18 22:45:57] #6 [Go To First Post]
User925540 - Posts: 84
SC Support, will this enhancement ever be considered? i.e. sending attached orders to position actually attaches them so that the functionalities I mentioned earlier would work. Thank you.

[2024-10-22 15:49:27] #7 [Go To First Post]
User925540 - Posts: 84
Trade management by study also doesn't work when using "Send Attached Orders". Please add this as an enhancement. "Send Attached Orders by Position" should actually attach the orders to the position otherwise none of the "attached orders" functionalities would ever work. Date Time Of Last Edit: 2024-10-22 16:06:34

[2024-10-22 23:09:13] #8 [Go To First Post]
Sierra_Chart Engineering - Posts: 20741
We need to think about how to support this. Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy: https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing

[2024-10-23 18:26:48] #9 [Go To First Post]
Sierra_Chart Engineering - Posts: 20741
We are looking this over, and this is supported: so functionalities like "move to breakeven" won't work. And the Trade Management by Study does work with attached orders sent by Position and Price. All of this is fully supported. There are no issues. We are going to do some additional testing. Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy: https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing Date Time Of Last Edit: 2024-10-23 18:27:05

[2024-10-23 19:42:53] #10 [Go To First Post]
Sierra_Chart Engineering - Posts: 20741
Also keyboard shortcuts for moving a Target or Stop Attached Order up and down by one tick, are also fully supported when using Send Attached Orders by Price or Position. We are looking into supporting the profit/loss calculation on these orders as well. That is should not be difficult to do. Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy: https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing

[2024-10-23 19:59:30] #11 [Go To First Post]
User925540 - Posts: 84
Am I doing something wrong then? I just tested that on the sim, enter a position with preset attached orders where everything works fine (breakeven, pnl on order lines, trade management by study, etc.), I cancel the attached orders (no working orders at this stage), then do a "Send attached orders by position", do a BE from trade window, nothing happens. Also trade management by study, ones that do work on the regular attached orders are not working once I send attached orders by position, and to me it makes sense it won't work as it needs a target and a stop while those attached orders aren't labeled as target and stop because they have no parent order to be attached to and be marked as target/stop for that parent. If you're saying it works fine, then I'm definitely missing something. Date Time Of Last Edit: 2024-10-23 21:33:27

[2024-10-23 23:32:32] #12 [Go To First Post]
User925540 - Posts: 84
Attached orders that are working fine (ones that are set with the main/original order that created the position) have a "Parent Internal Order ID" that is equal to the "Internal Order ID" of the main/original order that created the position. "Send Attached Order by Position" creates the orders with "Parent Internal Order ID" = 0 and hence no reference to calculate PNL or to do a break even and definitely not have the Trade Management by Study work.

[2024-10-24 02:35:22] #13 [Go To First Post]
Sierra_Chart Engineering - Posts: 20741
We have to do a remote assistance session with you. Move to breakeven and the Trade Management Study do work with attached orders, sent by Position or Price. A parent order is not required. Are you sending just a single stop or a single target and not a target and stop? Also in the next release, the profit/loss will be shown for attached orders that were sent by position or price. Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy: https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing

[2024-10-24 03:05:51] #14 [Go To First Post]
User925540 - Posts: 84
Hi, It's the same chart, same trade window config, same target/stop config (both target and stop are configured on OCO group#1). Test#1: Submit market order, position begins, target and stop present, pnl is there on order line, BE from trade window moves stop to position. Everything OK Test#2: Same trade window config and same target and stop from Test#1, market in, position started, cancel orders, both target and stop are removed and no other working orders. "Send Attached Orders by Position" used, target and stop are created. Same break even action as test#1 performed, no change to neither the target nor the stop.

[2024-10-24 03:51:37] #15 [Go To First Post]
User925540 - Posts: 84
Ok, this will help reproduce the issue. Fresh installation of latest build, default trade window config -- Set it to "Simple Bracket". The only thing to change is the target, change it from Target:Limit to Target:Limit If Touched - Client. Leave everything else the same. 1) Market into a position. 2) Cancel all orders. 3) Send Attached orders by Position. 4) BE from trade window. > No change to stop order This reproduced the issue for me on a fresh install with everything set to default (except the target order type). In my regular setup, it happens with every target order type but we can start from that example I mentioned and hopefully that would clarify the root cause. Date Time Of Last Edit: 2024-10-24 04:07:05

[2024-10-24 06:33:11] #16 [Go To First Post]
Sierra_Chart Engineering - Posts: 20741
We see why there is a problem. We are resolving this now. This is easy. Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy: https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing

[2024-10-24 06:37:55] #17 [Go To First Post]
Sierra_Chart Engineering - Posts: 20741
Another setting that has relevancy is this one: Global Trade Settings Windows: Move to Breakeven (BE) Command (Global Settings >> Chart Trade Settings >> General >> Order Entry) Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy: https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing

[2024-10-24 10:54:08] #18 [Go To First Post]
User925540 - Posts: 84
100%, now we know 2 ways to reproduce this issue. 1) With target of a bracket order set to any "Client" order type. OR 2) With "Global Settings >> Chart Trade Settings >> General >> Order Entry >> Move to Breakeven (BE) Command" set to "Move All Stop Attached Orders". Hopefully both would be fixed. Thank you. Date Time Of Last Edit: 2024-10-24 10:54:45

[2024-10-25 15:18:24] #19 [Go To First Post]
Sierra_Chart Engineering - Posts: 20741
Yes this will all be resolved. We will be putting out a new release in about 45 minutes. Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy: https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing

[2024-10-25 18:29:36] #20 [Go To First Post]
User925540 - Posts: 84
Works like a charm in #2699, PNL on order-line, BreakEven, Trade management by study, all good. Thank you very much for your support!

[2025-01-05 04:42:32] #21 [Go To First Post]
User601016 - Posts: 24
Hi John #1 Send Attached Order by Position & Price keyboard shortcut hotkeys are not working. It works fine when selected from right-click drop down menu. #2 I had made a request few months back to be able to up/down tick stop orders with hotkeys- can you please implement it? Right now this is only available for limit orders. Would be great if same hotkeys can be used for up/down tick stop order/limit order (regardless of order type). I saw that someone else had requested the same in 2022. I utilize hotkeys for discretionary trading in very fast moving markets so this will be such a great help. It effect my PnL adversely at the moment since dragging and dropping Stops Orders is inefficient and price moves against me when i am in the middle of this inefficient mouse movement... Thank You! Date Time Of Last Edit: 2025-01-05 04:48:01

[2025-01-05 18:08:39] #22 [Go To First Post]
Sierra_Chart Engineering - Posts: 20741
1. We think you are using the keyboard shortcuts to set, the order type on the Trade Window. Those are not going to take any action other than that. Instead you need to use: Buy Send Attached Orders - Position Sell Send Attached Orders - Position Send Attached Orders - Position A position must exist. Refer to: Basic Trading and the Trade Window: Trading Keyboard Shortcuts for Attached Orders Also refer to: Global Settings Menu: Keyboard Shortcuts Not Functioning 2. This has been supported for a long time now: Basic Trading and the Trade Window: Trading Keyboard Shortcuts for Attached Orders Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy: https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing

[2025-01-05 19:01:00] #23 [Go To First Post]
User601016 - Posts: 24
Maybe my explanation of problem was confusing... The problems are unresolved. Here is the clarification of my setup: #1 Chart trade mode is on, keyboard shortcuts are enabled , All other shortcuts are working fine on the chart. In Global Settings>>customize keyboard shortcuts>> Trading order Types Command>> Send Attached orders-position & Send Attached orders-price have been assigned keyboard shortcuts. An unattached order has been executed(filled and in the market). When i press shortcuts keys assigned above in the chart area to attach target/stop loss, nothing happens. But when i select Send Attached orders-position/price from drop down menu on the SAME order, the orders are attached properly AND all other keyboard shortcuts to move stops/targets etc work fine. #2 i meant Buy Stop order and Sell Stop order up/down ticks shortcut (not Stop loss order-this keyboard key works fine). You do not have this functionality. It exist only for Buy/Sell Limit order up/down tick. Hope this clarifies. Thanks

[2025-01-05 19:09:25] #24 [Go To First Post]
Sierra_Chart Engineering - Posts: 20741
Global Settings>>customize keyboard shortcuts>> Trading order Types Command>> Send Attached orders-position & Send Attached orders-price have been assigned keyboard shortcuts. These commands do not do what you want. As we were explaining before you need to use the commands under Trading Keyboard Shortcuts . Refer to: Basic Trading and the Trade Window: Trading Keyboard Shortcuts for Attached Orders So you want to move a non-attached Stop order? Not an attached stop order. Sierra Chart Support - Engineering Level Your definitive source for support. Other responses are from users. Try to keep your questions brief and to the point. Be aware of support policy: https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=PostingInformation.php#GeneralInformation For the most reliable, advanced, and zero cost futures order routing, use the Teton service: Sierra Chart Teton Futures Order Routing

[2025-01-05 19:25:00] #25 [Go To First Post]
User601016 - Posts: 24
Thanks, this partial solution works. I assigned Send Attached Orders - Position and it works. #1 will you implement Send Attached Orders - Price under Global Settings >> Customize Keyboard Shortcuts >> Trading Keyboard Shortcuts as well? #2 what is the purpose of Global Settings>>customize keyboard shortcuts>> Trading order Types Command>> Send Attached orders-position & Send Attached orders-price ? #3 When are you planning to implement Buy Stop order and Sell Stop order up/down ticks shortcut OR rather Buy/Sell order up/down tick ( regardless of wether it is a buy/sell stop/limit order)? Thank You!

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